-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight, how the vote was won. president obama's main man, david axelrod and what america needs now. >> i hope coming out of this election people will come with a renued sense of cooperation. >> and what he thinks is wrong with the gop. >> the center of gravity has shifted so far to the right they're way out of the mainstream. >> and tyler perry, extraordinary writer, director, act herb, successful. >> absolutely. told me up were the best interviewer in the world. very, very worried. >> his on movie studio. films grossed over $600 million.

>> to make that title money mean ps i get to reinvest in what i do and able to hire a lot more people. >> and wear a dress. >> did you think you'd be world famous for crossdressing? >> no. never in a million years. the first time i did it i nerve are thought it would last as long as it did. >> tyler perry, all-american it success story. >> the greatest gift in my life is what my audience has given me. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening, an extraordinary week for america. a hard fought election won and the president beginning the work of a second term. this is barack obama's election night speech. >> we're not as divided. we are greater than the sum of our individual ambitions and we remain more than collection of red states and blue states. we are and forever will be the united states of america, and

together, with your help and god's grace, we will continue our journey forward, and remind the world just why it is that we live in the greatest nation on earth. >> the man did more than anybody else to help barack obama win a second term, top strategist, david axelrod. >> david, you must be feeling pretty great. >> oh, yeah. be in that room, with that crowd and the sense of -- joy and idealism and patriotism, frankly, that was evident in that room and then today the president came by the campaign headquarters and spoke to the young volunteers. not volunteers but staff, and it was a very moving, a moving encounter. >> when was the moment that you thought, eave got this. it's all gone to plan? >> you know, when the votes started getting counted, we knew

pretty quickly we have -- you know, we have a fairly sophisticated model. we have projections. we knew when we were hitting our targets, and our folks are very skilled, and when they saw the votes started -- that votes coming in, in ohio and virginia, first it was virginia. and then in florida. there was a sense that this could be an earlier evening than we thought. >> we look at the demographics that have come out from all of the polling last night. pretty much across the board you guys had a very good night on women, independents. you know, younger people. african-americans, latino, asians. it was a pretty big sweeping area of people coming in to vote again for you guys. were you pleased about the level of the turnout? >> oh, absolutely. and the breadth of it. you know, the question that was being raised on the other side was whether the obama coalition

had served him so well in 2008 would come out again, and so one of the things we saw very early, and even before the polls closed, when you know, just looking at the turnout, was that we getting strong turnout among the very grurps you were talking about, and it was -- that was encouraging. >> the inevitable inquest into why republicans lost. if you were putting your strategist hat on and looking at their campaign, where do you think they really, in the end, lost it? >> look, i think the problem for the republican party is that the center of gravity shifted so far to the right that they're way out of the main stream. the positions of governor romney that he took in the primary on immigration reform. the positions that he took on women's health issues and contraception and planned parenthood drove large numbers of voters away from them, and then on economic, central to this election.

they had a theory that frankly was not a popular theory in the country which is that you know, if we go back to tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation that would profit everyone, and then for romney himself, there were specific things that he did. i think that the decision in the final week to try and litigate the auto bailout again, in ohio, had a tremendously negative impact there, and perhaps beyond ohio. so, you know, in the final analysis, there are a lot of factors here, but in the short-term, that was a very bad decision, in my view. >> people are looking to what happened and saying, look, the senate remains with democrat house with republicans. barack obama re-elected. not much change. how can we expect the washington machine, many consider fractured if not paralyzed to get things done? the speaker boehner, mr.

president, let's get some stuff going here, but how much of the responsibility lies with him? with speaker boehner, do you think? >> people want cooperation on both sides. the issue at hand will be the fiscal cliff and our budgetary situation. the president's put a proposal forward. it's incumbent on the speaker to say, what they would be willing to do and not simply say, it's not our responsibility. i think people expect everyone to live up to their responsibilities. and one thing that is clear as i moved around the country with the president is that they're hungry for that kind of cooperation. i hope that coming out of this election people will come with a renewed sense of cooperation. because it will take that to solve problems. let me just say one other thing, though, you mentioned that not much has changed. actually what is interesting is you have these super pacs

spending literally billions of dollars to defeat the president and to defeat democrats running for congress. well, the president was re-elected. you have more democrats in the senate than you did before. more democrats in the house than you did before. and one heartening thing to me in this election is that these special interests and billionaires spent all this money and got nowhere with it. hopefully that will discourage the kind of obscene spending that we saw in this election, because it plainly didn't work. >> obviously you've got, i was watching on twitter -- you have a second chance. to be bolder, braver than you were in the first term. there are parallels to reagan and clinton who had first terms and successful economies for the second terms. that emboldened them to be braver than they might have been. are you hoping you are going to

get the kind of economic security if not prosperity in this term that will allow you to do, perhaps, the things that barack obama when he sailed in on hope and change hoped he could do? >> well, piers, i do believe the economy is improving. but i want to challenge a bit of your premise, because one of the reasons the economy is improving is because this president was brave. it was brave to intervene and save the auto industry, which was not a popular decision at the time. it was brave to move forward on the recovery act. which again was not popular at the time. and still is the source of controversial, because without that, we would have slid into a second great depression. it was brave to stand up the financial industry when it was on the brink of collapse. even though that was an unpopular thing to do. because he understand that we needed to do these things to move the economy forward, and now we are reaping the benefits of that bravery and good decisions because the economy is improving. and i do believe that gives us a chance to move forward on a

series of fronts, to further strengthen our economy for the short term and the long term, and strengthen the middle class. we are not losing 800,000 jobs a month anymore. we're gaining jobs. and that foundation that has been laid is a foundation on which we can build progress. >> two very quick last questions. one is, i understand the first person the president called after knowing that he won was bill clinton. is that right? >> exactly, yes. >> does he feel a debt of gratitude to him? >> well, there's no question about it. as he said to president clinton, he was the most valuable player in this campaign. and we got a chance to spend some time with president clinton over the weekend. he just campaigned his heart out. and he was a -- because he believes that there were two choices here and one led us forward and one led us back. and he was very effective out there.

there is a strong sense of gratitude and i think the president is looking forward to calling on president clinton in the future for advice, council and assistance as we move this country forward. >> secondly, the biggest tragedy of the whole evening for many of us was the fact that your mustache gets to stay on. are you a relieved man this morning? >> i will say, when i made the bet, the bet was if we lost pennsylvania, michigan or minnesota i would shave off my mustache. i did it with complete confidence that this mustache, which has been appended to my face for 40 years was going nowhere. so i'm very -- ip was confident then and i'm pleased that i was right. sometimes you have to take a stand and i did on that one. >> well, courage has always been your strong point. congratulations on a brilliant campaign. hello to you and the team. it was a master class on how to

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i found out, he and his sister and brother were all found by a white man in rural louisiana in a ditch. he was 2 years old at the tile. brought to a 14-year-old woman named mae to raise. her father, bedridden, very old man a slave, and everything that she knew to do to get these children ton behave was to beat them. tie them in a potato sack, hang them in the tree and beat them. so that's what he knew. what he came from. >> he'd been abused? >> abused his entire life. third grade education. >> how did you find it out? >> by asking questions, finally, of him. >> he told you? >> he told me a lot about it. my aunts told me, and people in the small town in louisiana where we grew up told me about the story. it helped me understand a lot of who he is, which made it easier for me to let go and forgive him. >> hard to forgive, though. >> it is. but very necessary, because what i found is this. this is so true. if you do not forgive, you hold on to this thing inside of you

that can change your life for the -- and take you in the wrong direction. nine times out of ten the people that have done things to you are asleep and at peace and you're holding on to it and it be can really, literally, become sickness in your body and make you physically ill. i think it is beyond important. >> he is still alive? >> he is still alive. >> what kind of relationship? >> we don't speak much but i support him and make sure he has everything he needs. as a child wasn't great father but at great provider and incredible work ethic. he definitely gave me my work ethic. >> do you think despite the way he man-handled you and beat you, did you feel that he love you? >> no. never felt that. i felt strongly something was there, didn't know what. when i was 30 my mother told me he never thought i was his child. that was another thing i didn't know, which caused a lot of issues as well.

>> did you have that out with him? >> i did. about four years ago i asked, why, and all he could tell me through his tears, what he said, you don't know what happened to me. which clearly made me stop and go, you know what? i don't. but that doesn't justify what you did. i will take it, consider it, try to understand it and make it work for the better of both of us in this relationship of father and son. >> is he proud of you, what you've achieved? >> i they so. because in any situation he's in tears. everything that happens, he cries. every -- >> is that guilt, do you think? >> every wart. listen, exactly what i thought. early on, every award, situation, every time an ad, come to one of the shows there would be tears. i always thought tremendous guilt. >> has he ever said, sorry? >> no. he hasn't. he hasn't. >> would you like him to? >> at this point i don't know if it matters. i really don't know if it matters, because i really

have -- i really am done with it. so i don't know if it matters if he says i'm sorry. >> by contrast, you had an amazing relationship with your mother. a fabulous woman. >> yeah. >> sadly died a few years ago. tell me about her. >> she was, again, born in the same little small town. her mother died when she was 13. met my father when she was 17. he would come and visit her every week and show up in new cadillacs and buicks. she thought he was rich. he was going to take her to live on his cattle ranch in texas. this somewhat he told her. they get married. she goes down to new orleans, end up in a jute joit nor 12 hours had looking for a place to live. she had no idea. so she left my grandfather, moved in with her. her sole support, my father. all she knew. go to my aunts, we're having trouble. he's fighting me, hitting me. what should i do? they would say, stay with that man. these good. he's got a job. a different time back then. she was a great woman. wonderful story.

worked in a jewish community center for many years taking care of little kids there. and just a beautiful, beautiful soul who only knew how to love. there was so many people, and i remember as a boy, waking up and there would be people in the house all the time who needed a place to stay, needed food, needed anything. just a wonderful, wonderful woman. >> what does she make of what happened to you? she must have been stunned or quietly think, tyler's going to make something big of himself? >> you mean of all the success? >> yes. >> it was remarkable to her. she would always say to me, wanted to live lie ms. chandler on "the young & the restless." never thought she would. the greatest gift was wa what my audience has given me. the opportunity to take care of her and have her live the best life she could. >> i love the story. she wpassed a car on the road.

red jaguar. love to have one of those. did you ever get a chance to get her one? >> i did. i was a little boy at the time. driving, man, i really like that car. i said, when i get big i want to buy you that car. and i was in new orleans onstage at the singer theater before katrina and called her up onstage during, close to mother's day and gave her are the keys to the car. it was a great moment. so many tears from the audience and from her. a really good moment. >> what did she say? >> speechless. the thank you and love. here's a woman who never asked me for a dime. never asked me for a dime, but as a little boy, watching all that she had gone through i wanted to do everything i could to take care of her, make sure she had the best life she could and because of my audience, god bless them, i was able to do that. >> talk about money, fame, love, and oprah. >> okay. >> maybe they're all linked together? >> all together. all together. [ female announcer ] today, jason is here to volunteer to help those in need.

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to old lady? >> you don't know me. i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. get the hel lchl off the table. >> i'm big sal. and what big sal wants big sal gets. >> i guess you never heard that i am honey madea. >> a franchise, amazing franchise. >> joy and horror. that's -- that's just about right, piers. yeah, yeah. >> did you ever think, when were you young, that one day you'd be world famous for crossdressing? >> never in a million years. even the first time i did it i never thought it would last as long as it did. i saw eddie murphy do it, the brilliant eddie murphy and thought i'll try my hand at at female character, and the audience loves it. >> i thought it was -- didn't know what you thought.

tyler, grew up raised by strong black women. so much of what you do is a celebration of that. madea is that, a compilation of strong black women. it works because people see themselves. >> yeah, sure. i found as i've traveled the country that madea isn't just at black woman. there are lots of other madeas -- i've met an italian, jewish madea. >> about strong women? >> absolutely. the strength of the women and a lot of those around me. my mother was one. my aunt another. this woman carried a razor all the time. these women were very strong and you wouldn't want to sbrun them in a dark alley. trouble. >> last year "forbes" listed you highest mannen in entertainment. $130 million. wow. >> hmm. >> any comment? >> no. next question? i -- >> you feel uncomfortable. >> it drive meese insane, because i don't -- you know, it's great. i'm gratful for it.

really, really truly am, but i don't -- i don't necessarily want it printed. i don't think people want their income printed. yeah. >> if i had that kind of money, i'd want it printed. >> no, no. >> look at -- >> who wants -- certainly not about showing off. what that means to me honestly is this. to make that type of money means i get to reinvest into what i do because i reinvest in myself and able to hire a lot more people at the studio and do more films. >> you have a studio. motto, a place where even dreams believe. i love that. >> i read the story of david in the bible. a moment, he was a dreamer but in prison anden the dream kept reminding him to keep going. he stopped believing but the dream itself kept believing. that's where the mont tla came fro mantra came from. it sometimes things get so bad in your life that your dream happen to dream for you and remind you to keep going.

>> what is the best thing about money, for you? >> again, the best thing, which change might entire life, being able to support my mother. where all the drive came from. >> ridiculously generous. can't watch television without getting the checkbook out wanting to help people. >> sometimes. that's why it's difficult to watch the news. i always find a way to, yeah, want to reach out. yeah, yeah. >> it's a nice idea. >> okay. thank you. >> why do you keep feeling awkward? >> well, because it's -- it's -- i just feel that to whom much is given much is required and everybody doesn't have to know all of the other sides of it. whatever do you for people and the kindness you show is not necessarily for everybody to know. >> unlike most celebrities i've interviewed in your position, that have been successful. there doesn't seem to be terrible drug did alcohol-related period where you've had to go in the betty ford clinic for a year. none of that. how have you avoided the pitfalls that go with superstar

fame, big money and the rest of it? >> my faith. it is completely 100% been my faith in god and believing and praying all the time. because this entire life, when i look at all of these people and what they go through and how they go through it and what, a friend of mine, and michael jackson, and the struggle, i feel -- i understand what brings you to a point of i need some relief. i completely understand it, because the pressure of the situation can be really difficult and demanding, and it affects -- it doesn't affect you as much as it affects everybody around you, which in turn will affect you. so i understand that. >> that's a very good point. a point that people don't see often enough. how can superstars have pressure? they're not coal miners, no, but it's a very particular pressure because their fame causes all sorts of ripple effects. >> yes. with everything. >> and they can't trust anybody, family members betray them, so on. >> all of that. >> a very different kind of pressure. >> all of that. >> and it can get overwhelming

for people. >> absolutely. i understand why people turn to relief. i'm telling you, if i didn't have my faith in god i don't nowhere i'd be and your income presented for everybody to read, it changes everything. you're the same person going, what's happening? what's going on? >> and read that, that bastard. >> exactly. i've got a lot of that. >> oprah is a great role model. you just joined her network to work with her. great for her and you. i love oprah. did my first show. couldn't have been more gracious to me. >> great interview, too. there's not much i can say about her that isn't known. what you see is what you get. >> it's true. >> she is who she is. i mean, and i think that's why the "oprah winfrey show" her legacy, everything she's done is so profound because it is authentic and real, to the hmm, millionth of the inch, it's all very, very real. comes from her soul and heart

and whan she does and wants to do is inspire, uplift and encourage, which is what, that's why we clicked and became good friends. >> what advice is she giving you? working for her. she's the boss. >> yeah. i think that the -- the best advice that she's given me is, come here and do what you do. you know, do what you do and be comfortable doing what you do. i'm very honored to even have an opportunity to work with her, because the woman has inspired me my entire life. so to be able to join forces and go in and -- because i'm moving towards having my own network, and we get an opportunity to help each other. i have programming that can produce content and she needs programming content and has the experience of starting her own network pap great trade-off in a grace wags. >> come back and talk to you about love, romance. >> yeah. >> marriage, children. >> yeah. >> and morgan freeman. >> okay. cool. in that order. >> in that order? >> in that order. i have a cold, and i took nyquil,

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let me see your hands! put down the gun. put down the weapon now! do it now! this is what you want to the die doing? drop the gun! put your hands behind your back, now, girl! >> tough action hero. tyler perry. "alex cross." big departure. you enjoy playing the action he hero? >> i did. i read the script, looked at his entire arc. very interesting. one thing that that made me say no is morgan freeman. >> replacing morgan freeman. like sean connery or bond. >> the man played god. >> he's my movie god. >> he played god in a movie, so, i couldn't -- i'm like -- but as i looked at james patterson's description of the physicality and the age and family and i

thought, talking about me. so i gave it a second look and i loved the arc that i get to play. from family man to the brilliant psychologist figuring things out to chasing down a bad guy to this lion being on a leash at the end of the movie. i'm super excited. >> also super slim, tyler. and we've got here "men's health" look at this. lost 30 pounds? >> yeah. i dropped 30 pounds. >> gut-busting front koevcovers. how do you do it? >> mostly worked with a trainer, anthony. great guy. a book, really helps with prayer and working out. >> what does it -- don't eat as much? >> don't eat as much and move a lot more. i was working out, returning five miles. this is, i'm dropping names. eric down in atlanta who worked with me was amazing at -- i did it for five minutes and couldn't get off the floor. could not get off the floor. couldn't get through a whole

workout. i mazing to get you to really shed the pounds. >> let's talk about love, tyler. >> no. >> maybe i'll start again. let's talk about love, tyler. >> fine. >> how many times have you been probably in love in your life? >> what does that mean? what does that mean, like -- >> i said, you know, the type that makes your heart ache or break. that's what it means. that kind of love. >> if i told you the truth i'd get in trouble. >> why? >> because there are -- ah! so "alex cross" is an amazing movie. >> tyler -- tyler -- >> okay. it's just -- all right, all right. once. >> really? >> once, yeah. yeah. >> and what went wrong? i. think we were both very young. well, we were mid-30s, which was -- it was a very scary time

in my life. i was just coming into success. i had spent 28 years of my life being very unhappy and i was very afraid of it. afraid of the feeling of not being able to -- know if she loved me the way that i loved her, and the control i think scared me. >> was it, in the end, your decision to -- walk away? >> yes, it was. >> you regret that? >> no, i don't. >> you thought it was the right thing? >> yeah. because we both were in a place where -- and i just realized i should not have said this, because -- i should not have said this -- >> why? why shouldn't you have said it? >> because i said too much. now she'll figure it out and -- yeah. >> what will she figure out? >> why don't you ask another question? why don't you ask another question? >> you're being so nice about it, and so honest. >> okay. all right. what do you want to talk about now? >> i suppose the obvious

question after that, do you hope to have that again in your life? you're so busy. so successful. >> that's part of the reason i'm so busy. there's a woman i'm seeing now that i love very, very much. it's a different kind of love, but i love her very, very much, and -- >> i'm beginning to work out why you've dug yourself into a hole. >> now you see me trying to dig myself out of the hole? >> get a shovel -- start shov shoveli shoveling, tyler. >> what i'm trying to do at this point is -- just enjoy it all. i'm not ready to settle down. i'm not ready to get married. i'm not ready to be in a situation where i have a commitment. not ready for that, and especially after that situation. >> i see. you went through a very deep experience and just want to be sure next time that it's right. >> and what's the rush? >> yeah. >> i'm a guy. 43. i've got -- >> don't want little tyler's running around? >> yeah. i want that more than i want to be married, though. i just have to find a way that i'm okay with that happening.

>> there's no hurry. you can do what you like. probably got -- a couple minds over here. you're, a line of the length of manhattan of potential suitors. >> i appreciate that. can we move on? >> shall we move on? >> yeah. appreciate it. >> do you want a glass of water? >> i need a shot of vodka at this point. >> you cast kim kardashian in a film -- >> now it gets worse! you went from bad to worse. yes, yes i did. >> what were you thinking? >> no, no. let me tell you -- >> kim kardashian is to marriage counseling what bernie madoff is to financial management. >> let me make this perfectly clear about kim kardashian and my choice of casting her in this film. i wrote a film that is coming out in march, and it's called "the marriage counselor "it's a cautionary tale about making bad decisions in relationships. i had no idea she was married.

no idea she was going through what she was going through and no idea she was going to go through a divorce. >> did you know who she was? >> to be honest, i did not. heard of her, but dmoen all she had done. what i know about her, she's a sweet girl. came in. dp a great job. was very professional. i'm very happy with what she did and very happy of this. hear me clearly when i say this. millions of people who look up to the kardashians. it's very responsible to have someone like kim kardashian in a film that is a cautionary tale about making bad decisions and choices so that as people or children or fans of hers are watching and coming in and see this story, if it speaks to them, then she's done a great job and i've done ap great job in putting her in the movie. >> by the way, she has about 18 million followers on twitter. >> so you understand what i'm -- >> i get it. i was impressed by it. she hasn't claimed anything she's not. claim to it be fabulously talented. what she is, very hard working, very beautiful, and knows to

work -- take a break. talk about another smart cookie. whitney houston. a tragic loss. i want to know your thoughts. were you a friend of hers, tried to her her and clearly, like many other people, weren't successful. [ timers ringing ] [ male announcer ] it's that time of year. time for campbell's green bean casserole. you'll find the recipe at campbellskitchen.com. ♪ campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.

i'm don lemon. headlines this hour, citizens paused to pay tribute and give heartfelt thanks to our military here ears. president barack obama laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknowns. told the crowd his administration will be vigilant in making sure veterans get the health care they need when they need it. lawmakers have pointed questions about the fbi's investigation into general david petraeus's extramarital affair. they want to know why they weren't told and if national security was breached. peter king talked with cnn's candy crowley today. >> it seems it's been going on several months and it appears they're saying the fbi didn't realize until election day. that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> petraeus resigned from his

post at cia director friday and admitted he had an affair. sources said the affair was with his biographer paula broadwell. for the first time in four years an nfl game ended in a tie. the san francisco 49ers and stv louis rams unable to convert field goals to win the game. final score between the nfc west rivals, 24-24. the last tie was november 16, 2008, between the philadelphia eagles and the cincinnati bengals. those are your headlines this hour. i'm don lemon. keeping you informed. cnn, the most trusted name in news. see you at 10:00 p.m. eastern. [ female announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role

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>> whitney houston a friend of yours. you've been quite candid about trying to help her. you rang her or felt kpemed to ring her on the night michael jackson died. similar rage, you realized she may be going into turmoil over that. >> i haven't talk about it publicly. i'm surprised you know that. >> i know everything, tyler. >> i called her that night and been trying to get her all day, called that night. she had donny hathaways, "a song for you" blasting in the background. i'm surprised she heard me shaend was really broken up by his death and i didn't know if she was thinking about herself but i was trying desperately to get me to let her come over the house, sit with her and make sure she was okay, and whitney in true fashion, you have to -- after me trying five, ten different times she said, listen, i'm a mother, and i'm a woman and i'm single, and you're not coming over to my house in

the middle of the night. in the way that only she could, but it's beyond tragic. and i was so disgusted. i must tell you, i was so disgusted at the media and the way that they handled her death. it was -- it was so blatantly s disrespectful and the paparazzi and this is what i mean about fame and even in death trying to get her, just her body from the morgue to the plane -- >> you supplied the plane, didn't you? >> i did. i did. and there was, this was beyond awful. i will tell you that we tried to send a hearse as a decoy, and they found out that we had the body in a van. there were paparazzi 50-deep following the van and i had them move the plane to the hangar and close the door and bring it, and one of the drivers taking pictures of the body trying to get on to the plane and it was d disrespectful to the family and

i understand she was a superstar, but she did not deserve to be treated that way in the media toward the end. they asked me to come into the beverly hilton and walking into that hotel room and seeing that it was so bizarre that i am thinking that the people cannot know that she has died. there is a party going on and it can't be true, and it was so surreal. i go up there, and it is music and i'm in the room with them, and the police and the coroner is three doors down from where we are, and i am looking at the water on the table breaking down, and it is vibrating from the bass below. i am thinking, what is this? what is this that this woman's life is not worth a moment of silence? so many people when she has meant so much, so it was beyond hurtful in many ways. >> very sad indeed. and i ask you in this interview -- >> yes, let's talk about something else. >> a lot of guns and violence,

and you get stuck in it. >> yes, thank you. >> vie slens a big issue in a lot of countries, but in the country where i am from, it does not have the same relationship as an american and their gun, and do you believe that the candidates whoever wins presidency should do more to bring in more gun control? >> i completely believe so. any time somebody can walk into the movie theater and do something like that, people are just going out to be entertained, absolutely there should be, should be more done for gun control, and you are speaking to a kid who grew up in the inner city where there were driveby shootings all of the time and friends murdered, so absolutely. >> i know that the mayor of atlanta came on the show last week, and he is a big proponent of gun control, and he is a city rife, washington, d.c. and chicago, and others and who is going to take the on the gun lobby here?

>> well, you are are asking the wrong person, because i don't know enough about the laws to speak in an educated voice on it, but i think that it starts with just tougher screening to own guns. maybe there should be a psychological profile, not just, you know, criminal, but a psychological profile to be filled out in order to own a gun. >> i totally agree. well sh well, the movie is terrific and i was not expecting you in it, and it is enjoyable and i can see you as a new james bond. >> you won't see me as james bond. >> first black bond? >> no, will smith should be the first black bond. >> why him? if you lose weight at the rate you are going, you will be skinnier than will smith. >> no, i am not getting any skinnier, i will stick with alex cross. >> and if you could relive one moment in your life -- this is a question i ask several people -- and if you could relive one

moment in your life, and i had the power to grant it, what would be? >> i know one moment that my mother was on her death bed and she said, i just want it all to be over, and i was so upset and i didn't hear it. i wish i listened to what she said, because in that moment, she wanted to share with me, and had i been able to hold myself still and listen, i probably would have had a lot more of my life's questions answered. >> well, that is a poignant thing. >> yeah. >> tyler, a real pleasure. please come back sooner than 20 months or whatever it was it took me to get you. >> okay. >> and alex cross is a terrific film and of course, congratulations on the numerous projects, and especially your work with my friend oprah on own. >> thank you. >> tyler perry. we will be right back.

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